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Poster: Grymm Date: Apr 22, 2009 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The best Dark Star

I play in a jam based band and we are looking to play (with) Dark Star--the best version I have found so far is from
Grateful Dead Live at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds on 1972-08-27 (August 27, 1972).

While I agree with the Dark Star comment from the site below, I am not a true Dead Head in that I know and listen each and every live show (though if 10 years ago I had high speed internet and an endless supply of mood setting green leafy...er...)

So I ask you (the community) is there a better version than this?

This is on the archives (I think Bear recorded it, but I might be wrong--though the recording is pretty sweet!

Lemme know...chasteec@uwec.edu

According to:

http://gratefulbreed.blogspot.com/2008/02/grateful-dead-old-renaissance-faire.html

"Exquisite, start to finish. Best Dark Star of all times? Maybe. A benefit for Ken Kesey's brother's Creamery that became one of the mythic best performances of their entire career. It was a hot day in Oregon, over 100 degrees farenheit, but this amazingly had almost no effect on the tuning of the Dead's instruments. In fact, the group's intonation is consistently excellent. There are several landmark Dead performances of songs such as "Bird Song," "Playin'," "Greatest Story," "Jack Straw," "Dark Star," and "Sugar Magnolia." Is the "Sunshine Daydream" coda used to any more appropriate effect than it is here? I didn't think so, because this show really was a sunshine daydream in itself. This Greatest Story Ever Told is the Greatest Story Ever played! Jerry comes riding out from a quasar. I challenge you to listen to this song without playing air guitar and mouthing the wahwah. I,for one, I just can't help it. The show is simply brilliant!!"

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Poster: L.A. Women Date: Apr 23, 2009 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

Maybe not the best, but still my favorite.


http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-01-02.early-late.sbd.cotsman.18120.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Apr 23, 2009 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

i love that one. didnt john oswald use huge chunks of it unedited (unplunderphonicized?)for grey folded? Because it as wierd enough already?

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Poster: Darkstarz117 Date: Apr 22, 2009 10:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

1973-11-11 has the Thinking Man's Dark Star. It segues into a perfect Mind Left Body Jam than Eyes Of The World. You can stream this on nugs.net in the free stash section.

1990-03-29 This is on the archive. This is the Branford show. It has one of the best Bird Songs I have heard in a while. Also the Eyes Of The World from Without A Net.

1973-12-06 This is the longest Dark Star ever performed. Its not bad, if you like spacey stuff.

1968-10-12 A good early Dark Star. Its always one I go to for some reason. It has a nice slow dreamy section in it.

Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Apr 23, 2009 1:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I have to agree with both 1973-11-11 and 1968-10-12 for the same reasons.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Apr 23, 2009 4:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

WHAT? No mention of 2-15-73? Too obvious? i didn't see any mention of the longest one on record either 5-11-72 but maybe I missed it.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Apr 23, 2009 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

Check out this link...
http://www.ridethewind.org/DarkStar040872Odd-essay.htm.htm
It breaks down the 4/8/1972 Dark Star in a way you might be interesyed in...

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Poster: Darkstarz117 Date: Apr 24, 2009 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I am actually in the middle of listening and reviewing all the Dark Stars ever played. I am posting these at another site. If anyone wants to read them let me know.

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Poster: BongWzrd Date: Apr 23, 2009 8:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I'm pretty well versed with every Dark Star form 72' to 74' so here is my list of important DS....

5 Star
04-24-72
08-27-72
09-21-72
11-11-73
12-06-73

4 Star
04-14-72
04-29-72
05-11-72
05-25-72
07-18-72
08-21-72
09-21-72
09-24-72
10-18-72
10-25-72
11-13-72
11-19-72
02-26-73
03-28-73
06-10-73
06-24-73
10-19-73
02-24-74

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 23, 2009 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

So....does this mean 4-8-72 is a mere 3-star Dark Star??

(Also, there was no 10-25-72! You couldn't mean 10-26-72 since that was a rather weak Star....)

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Apr 24, 2009 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

maybe 10-25-69?

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Apr 23, 2009 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

There really is no correct answer for "best" Dark Star.Everyone has their favorites, it's subjective.
However, this site will provide suggestions of some great versions to check out (w/links).

http://www.gratefuldeadprojects.com/Dark_Star.html

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Apr 22, 2009 11:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

When the Grateful Dead released the live album Live/Dead back in 1969 it contained what many, myself included, regard as the "definitive" version. You can buy the CD at any decent music store. Since Dark Star was never really played the same way twice, there are hundreds of variations. The tried and true Live/Dead version never disappoints.

As far as finding a great one on the Archive why not start with this weeks anniversary show(s). Try the one from the show played exactly 40 years ago, 4/23/69 at the Boston Ark.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-04-23.sbd.miller.88501.sbeok.flac16

What forever amazes me is that the band could recreate this masterful composition in performance after performance with no two sounding the same. No other great composer(s) have ever equaled that achievement IMO.

Good luck with your band! Playing a composition like Dark Star shows a level of sophistication few other bands really aspire to.

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-04-23 06:36:47

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Apr 23, 2009 3:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

Got this one on the headphones right now, and it's very sweet indeed. In fact, the whole show is top notch

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Apr 23, 2009 5:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

My all-time favorite dark star is the one featured on Dick's Picks Volume 4 from 2/13/70. It's the kind of thing where you gotta put it on at night, turn the lights off, get a glass of wine or whatever else you might want to relax... it will wash over you like rain after a drought.

I think it's also a very important moment in Dark Stars. The '69 star is a more understandable beast, in that it is consistently psychedelic, and they never get too far "out there." This one from 1970 doesn't get too out there either in terms of tonality, but it sure goes places.

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Apr 23, 2009 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I agree with you on this one. It's an awesome Star.
My favorite Dark Star is usually the one I just listened to. I had the 2/13/70 Dark Star> Other One on last week and was completely floored.

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Poster: csaw44 Date: Apr 23, 2009 12:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

all i have to say is MOTM > DS, Dream bowl, '69

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 23, 2009 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

Yep, when you add that in, it makes for a special one, often obscuring the rest for me!

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Apr 23, 2009 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I haven't seen 4-8-72 mentioned yet and I think it's a top tier version. Here are a few of my favorites.

2-27-69
4-27-69
2-13-70
9-19-70
4-8-72
9-21-72
6-24-73

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Poster: elkdog Date: Apr 23, 2009 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I agree with those who say there's no "best" Dark Star, but a couple that I go back to a lot:

11/11/73 - mentioned above, it's my favorite, segues into Eyes, which is beautiful stuff.

4/8/72 - Europe '72, a great big celebratory jubilant sort of Dark Star. I love the E72 Dark Stars. All of them.

9/19/70 - Just crackles with emotion, one of the last big primal Dark Stars. A day after Hendrix died. Not sure if they knew, but there's something special in here.



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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 23, 2009 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

The depth of recording (when you listen to the opening of StSt, and the last 13' of the DS, you will instantly recognize why "depth" is the right descriptor) on 9-19 is unreal. I don't know how that subtle echo was achieved, nor how the tone of Jerry (Phil too) comes across as never before, but together with what they actually did, this is by far my fav ever.

As you all know I guess, for me great shows are a mix of tone, absence of defects, and overall performance. Though I love 10-12-68, the OVERALL quality of 9-19 is something that really puts it in a class by itself.

The fullness of Jerry's sound, something that has really changed by fall of 73, IMHO comes across here...back to those discussions of his guitars, etc., etc., etc....

This DS is the ONLY one I can listen to back to back to back...

If you start it, do NOT panic or abort; 13' to 25' are the stuff...

And Miss D, no offense on the apparent contradictions for Oct/Nov suggestions of yours above...cause they aren't, really.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Apr 23, 2009 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

WT, not sure which source you're speaking of, but the matrix on this one really sings to me. It's the only source I've got for this show at this point- one of the best uses of a matrix that I've heard. I agree about the depth- there's a resonance to this recording that really envelopes you.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-09-19.mtx.chappell.SB14.31510.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 23, 2009 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

Yeah, ED, "resonance" in all intended meanings, is a perfect term as well...

Yes, I have the matrix too, and it is superb. The orignal source (sorry, don't have the reference), or at least the one up here for at least three yrs, and widely circulated, is just great! There is one or another with some digi noise, but again, the commonly available one is all you need.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 23, 2009 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

"Do not Panic"

LMFAO

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Poster: craven714 Date: Apr 23, 2009 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

there is no "best of" any song....ever....
just my opinion..........

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Poster: august_wst Date: Apr 23, 2009 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

I'm with you on that one. Especially Dark Star as the whole point is that it is supposed to be different each time. Of course I do have some personal favs such as:

3/1/69
2/13/70
4/28/71
6/23/74

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Apr 23, 2009 3:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

An excellent early one is from the Sky River Rock Festival and Lighter Than Air Fair

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-09-02.sbd.miller.22095.sbeok.shnf

One reviewer wrote, "As a Dark Star connoisseur and guitar player, this dark star is unique in my experience. By the end of 68 they had Dark Star down pat and Bobby was getting more experimental in his rhythms. In this one, however, the little ditty Bobby is playing, which you hear clearly when Jerry quiets down around 3:08 for a few seconds, is very unique. I mention it because that single rhythm theme is a big influence on the song this night. This is in my opinion the beginning of the best dark star era up until the start of the space jams in 70. One of my favorite dark stars, this and 12/7 the same year. Otherwise nothing special, but some dick kept turning off the mics and stuff, and we could have had some good deadspeak about alligators as you can hear in the beginning of the track if not for them. Stars? The Dark Star alone carries this concert for me, so a 5 for it and 3 for the concert. 4."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 22, 2009 10:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The best Dark Star

There could be dozens of answers to that.
Since your favorite is from '72, I'll stick with one from that year - a year filled with a galaxy of great Stars, from some beautiful spring masterpieces to jazzy summer mindmelts. But this is one from fall, very different from the Veneta version, full of tension & explosions and amazing telepathic playing, sure to thrill & surprise -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-11-13.aud.cotsman.7518.sbefail.shnf